Some interesting views on Brexit:)

In the wake of the march for a People’s Vote on Brexit that took place in London on Saturday 20th October, we’d like to reproduce the following observations from three trusted comrades…


As I watched the legions of the middle-classes file past me yesterday in central London, the overwhelming sensation was not that these people with their ‘witty’ placards, cared about the migrants drowning in the Aegean Sea (marching incidentally, with the the very politicians that voted for the wars that caused the ‘migrant crisis’), or that they gave a toss about the mass of unemployed youth in the poorer regions of Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece; they didn’t seem to give a fuck that there are vast areas of the UK that have been left a barren wasteland by Neo-Liberalism and asset-stripping by the EU, or that wages for most people in this country have been…

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  1. Whenever I heart ”our democracy’ ‘I always think people need to take a step back and think about things. Referendums and parliamentary democracy are not ”ours”; nor is such a limited right even afforded to everyone in the uk.

    A second referendum would be just as undemocratic as the first. In that millions of migrant workers who are not citizens are not allowed to vote, as in national elections. With migrants still not allowed to vote the result would be similar ie probably 51-49 in favour of remain if polls are to be believed, This is likely to still reflect the massive split that is brexit.,Thus on a national level you would have the same problem you have now, an impasse with a very limited consensus going forward.

    On a personal level, my wife is spanish and I know what brexit means and will continue to mean for so many of my friends and family and the kids i support in class, a 4am knock from the border police and no right of appeal.I have no confidence in the ”broad left” to do much about this mostly as they are currently very weak but also as they are divided as admittedly small chunks of it are happy to appease far right anti-immigrant populism (see len mcluskey for example). Corbyn of course has made little attempt to oppose all the anti-immigrant legislation and bureaucracy that makes it so hard to get citizenship brought in by the last labour government and turned up to eleven by the tories,

    Equally whether the economy crashes as a result of a no deal brexit or not we are also already seeing councils (including my own boroughs council) and other large employers up and down the country getting ready to shred workers contracts en masse replacing them with new ones since rights like maternity pay, working hours etc will now have to be re-fought for by a weak union movement.

    The EU is a shit liberal bosses club, but the current hard right anti-EU alternative sweeping Europe, of which brexit is a major part, is likely to be worse for most of us and is already bearing grim fruit. Its a successful trojan horse for the right, i would love to be proven wrong but I suspect any notion of a” lexit” with increased rights for all will be a whimisical fantasy..

    I would also say there are way too many lazy generalisations expressed here, i know some of you personally and i know you would not talk like this in person and usually respect what you have to say so am quite surprised that you are putting this sort of stuff out online. Much of that march was made up of european migrant workers and young people,you know fullwell that its nonsense to go around labelling everyone who doesn’t support brexit as having a second home in the loire valley, so why do it?. I live in London, in tottenham and waltham forest and hackney and islington the vote was 80% remain, this in the eyes of brexit supporting politicians and the hard right press makes everyone who lives there the ”latte sipping metropolitan elite’ or whatever, but this is just the cheap un-nuanced politics one would expect from the populist right, its not something we should be echoing surely?

    In similar vein of course it was a liberal march full of crap liberal slogans, but any gathering of 500,000 people in the UK right now would inevitably be liberal in that sense. Most people have no real connection to left wing politics other than at most the labour party or trade union membership as the radical left and anarchist movement are tiny fringe movements at present so most people have no involvement or even interaction with them. I’m not really sure why you would berate everyone on said march in such a fashion. Its the political equivalent of going down the market and shouting at people they should be on the barricades.

    Tried to post this on the original but couldn’t for some reason


    • That was a re-blog of a re-blog. As for our group, we were split pretty evenly 3 ways, like most of the anarchist movement between in/out/abstain, but obviously those who voted did so for purely tactical reasons as we have no investment in capitalist power structures, local or global. We do like to see our enemies beating each other up as it saves us the bother.

      Some of us are old enough to remember the way the bourgeoisie railroaded the last referendum. Personally I regard European pollitical union as a white supremacist project, it was what the Imprerial powers got when they lost their empires, and the entry of the British state should be vieved in this context. They had recently lost possessions in Africa and Asia and looked like they were about to lose Ireland – I think they probably will now, maybe Scotland too.

      These cartels have a devastationg effect on the Working Class, most of whom do not live in Europe. It still presents itself as a cultural hegemony, as a civilising influence, when it is merely one end of a land mass where most of the population happen to be white, it defines itself by what it isn’t. By that which it has conquered, dominated, enslaved and pillaged. Liberal-bourgeois democrats are still in thrall to this rubbish, still terrified of ‘the other’.

      Mal Content.


      • I do agree in terms of understanding the EU as inherently racist in that it underlines ”europeaness” but I honestly do not think that leaving the EU on current political terms will lead to a britain or say italy that is less racist. On a simple immediate effects basis, Migrants in the UK would most likely simply lose the admittedly limited and slender protection of a court of human rights appeal and the already spiralling costs and bureaucracy involved in obtaining citizenship for migrant workers will continue to increase.

        The other problem with this is that it is in danger of ignoring the vast swathes of xenophobia which are directed at millions of EU migrant workers of whom a majority (tho not all obviously) are white. Equally, the far right has for some time targetted muslims in terms of their culture and not explicitly in terms of race. Thus to see brexit just through the lens of ”white supremacy” seems to miss the point a bit imo..


      • We see ‘brexit’ as a dislocation in formal relations between ruling classes, nothing more. It’s inarguable that both the UK and EU will be weaker institutions as a result, and that has to be a good thing, I’d much rather have a fight in a phone box than a field.

        I didn’t write the above post but here’s something I did write:

        I was wrong about Gove – for now – and of course I hadn’t forseen the early election they promised not to have. Everything else is up for grabs.



  2. ” i’d rather fight in a ohone box than a field” Well not really a sensible piece of rhetoric when applied to nationalism, the devolution of powers or say the breakup of the public sector none of which increase workers ability to fight back, Generally they have increase the alienation and atomisation of the working class by dividing us into smaller chunks. Equally such abstract rhetoric is not likely to be of much comfort to the millions of our class from the EU and EEA facing deportation either.

    I can see what you have written and while i don;t agree with it personally, i’d point out that its not the same as what you’ve decided t reblog here as you well know.


    • Of course it isn’t. It would be a pretty boring blog that only echoed its own point of view, and as I’ve told you, our group wasn’t in agreement on this issue either.


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